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I seem to have been placed in the odd position
of determining if Al Bielek's story is either
true or false. Let me state early on that
honestly, I don't know. My job was to
provide a comprehensive interview of Al Bielek.
The goal of the project was not to prove or
disprove any of his claims. As I reflect on
this project, which happened around 3 years ago,
I realize I may have been in error in my
approach. Many of Al's claims are quite
extraordinary. I am sure many people who
bought the CD are perhaps quite troubled by the
information provided. So maybe now, I can
provide my own reflections on that experience 3
years ago and what has happened since then.
The bottom line is we are all seekers of the
truth. I learned that those individuals
who bought the CD are people who have looked
around the world and said "something is just not
right". In their search for the truth,
they came across this web site which seemed to
offer some viable alternative explanations to
the strange reality we live in. Given Al's
powerful presentation style, one can easily
believe his story. I know I did.
How I decided to do this project
For many years, my friends told me I had a
good "voice" and a natural interviewing ability.
At the time, I was recording Art Bell programs
and listening to them in the car as I drove back
and forth to work. Art Bell opened my mind
to the possibilities of Aliens, Government
Conspiracies, and yes - Al Bielek. I
remember hearing Al being interviewed by Art
Bell and being "blown away" by his presentation.
Somewhere around June 2000, I received a
flier in the mail announcing that the 2000
Preparedness Expo would be held in Atlanta GA.
I didn't have anything to do that weekend, so I
attended.
I had already heard Al Bielek on the Art Bell
show, so I thought I would take in one of his
seminars. As I listened to his
presentation, I observed his audience. No
one fell asleep and everyone was memorized -
including myself!
After listening to Al speak for 2 hours, I
signed up for his second 2 hour presentation.
After 4 hours of Al Bielek, I felt he had only
touched the surface of the information he had.
Then I made the decision that I would approach
him to conduct a series of interviews.
Sounded like a good place to start my new
venture.
Al agreed to do the interviews and we both
agreed to share the revenue from whatever we
produced. This began a 3 month process of
meeting with Al around 3 times a week to conduct
a series of interviews.
The Interviews
I arranged for Al to come to my office for the
interviews. Using professional recording
gear, we sat down and engaged in an "Art Bell"
like interview. After each session was
over, I would listen to the interview and
prepare my notes for the next interview.
It took a while to develop an understanding of
the material, but once I did I was able to take
Al deeper into his material than I think anyone
ever did.
I was amazed at the ease that Al spoke about
Aliens, Time Travel, Mind Control and other
bizarre topics. He had such confidence in
his statements. When he spoke about these
subjects, he would would look at you in a manner
that was almost intimidating. To him, his words
were the gospel and there was no room for error.
I told my friends that he had the demeanor of a
three star general.
Many times after my interviews, I would leave
the office and check my rear view mirror to see
if anyone was following me. I started to
become paranoid. I felt if this
information was true, then surely I would be
stopped from publishing it. Despite all my
fears, I don't think I was ever followed in my
car or certainly never threatened to stop
publishing the CD.
About half way through my interviews with Al,
I determined that our best course of action was
to find others who could corroborate his story.
It was just too amazing. That's when he
gave me the names of Larry James, Duncan
Cameron, Stewart Swerdlow, and Preston Nichols.
It was quite difficult to get any of these
people to agree to do an interview. When
asking all of these people if they every
remember working with Al at Montauk - the only
one who did was Larry James. But Larry
said he worked as the Montauk Time Chair
operator as a different person. When
Montauk was invaded he used the chair to perform
a "soul transfer" to another body in the past.
If you listen to Larry's interviews
carefully, you will find that he differed with
Al quite a bit on Al's time travel experiences
at Montauk.
My interview with Preston was quite
difficult. He was evasive and elusive.
I had a very difficult time pinning him down on
specific answers to help corroborate Al's story.
My interview with Duncan was even more
difficult. Duncan "danced" around all of
my questions with frivolous answers. It
appeared he just didn't want to talk about
Montauk and only spoke to me after my persistent
phone calls. In the end, he really didn't
provide any meaningful information.
Speaking with Steward Swerdlow was quite
interesting. He never met with Al, but
said he knew of Al at Montauk. Close - but
not close enough. I found Steward to be
quite articulate and honest with his answers -
he seemed to have nothing to hide.
So after 24 hours of interviews and no
concrete evidence, I decided to publish the CD.
I had quite a lot of time and money in the
project and needed to get something back.
Perhaps my interviews gave the debunkers
materials they never had before. Upon
reflection, that's good. If our common
goal is the "truth", then Al should be subject
to scrutiny.
Reflections of speaking to Al Bielek and
some odd behavior
The more I worked with Al, the more my heart
went out to the man. He would drive to my
office in a 10 year old car which would break
down constantly. Many times I would look
through my window after Al left and saw him
working on the car so he could get it started to
go home.
I would always buy him lunch/dinner whenever
he came by. If there was any food in the kitchen
in our office - he would eat right through it!
He didn't seem to have a penny to his name.
When the History Channel did a television
interview with him, I negotiated a sum of money
for him and bought him new clothes for the
recording.
After spending some time with the man, I had
a mental inventory of many of his answers.
Many times when I would ask a question, I would
get the same exact response to a different
question. It was like he had an inventory
of programmed answers and his mind would pick
the closest response to give as an answer. What
was strange was that his similar responses were
almost identical word-for-word even though they
were given to me weeks apart.
I also noted that he had a deep hatred for
his Bielek father and a deep love for his
supposed Cameron father. He hated his
childhood and still to this day does not like
being a Bielek. Could he have possibly
fabricated this story as a way to justify his
unhappy life? That's for you to decide.
I finally started to question Al's
information when he told me privately that the
Holocaust never happened. This was the
first time I strongly argued against him.
I could buy a lot of things he said to me in the
interviews, but the Holocaust not happening -
no.
Where the relationship broke down
Al was forced to move out of his house in
Atlanta a couple of months after we were done
with the project. I was paying him
royalties for the CD sales when I met him every
other week. When he moved to Florida, we
handled all of our correspondence through the
phone and mail.
Al moved to Florida with the help of a woman
named Dee. Dee found an apartment for Al
and the two spent a great deal of time together.
Another person - Michael Relfe
www.2012.com.au/mars.html helped fund Al's
move.
Not more than a month into Al's move, I
noticed his demeanor toward me radically
changed. He became convinced that I was
not paying him his fair share of the CD sales.
Then Michael Relfe, owner of the domain
www.albielek.com switched the domain to a
website that he built. This new website
asked people to send the money for the CD
directly to Al Bielek in Florida.
I made several phone calls to Al asking him
why he did this. I tried to explain that I
never cut him out of any money and in fact gave
him more money than our agreement. Nothing
I said changed his mind. Al would always
ask for a few more days to think about his
actions. When I called him a few days
later, he would ask for a few more.
I tried to contact Michael Relfe directly and
ask him why he repointed the domain name.
Michael would never speak to me directly.
He only responded via email. Again,
Michael asked me to give Al a little time to
"think about it".
Finally, I had Michael Relfe's website taken
down because of copyright infringement.
That's when all hell broke loose. Michael
sent me vicious emails telling me he was going
to report me to the FBI for restraint of trade
and on and on. Hardly the demeanor he
displays on his own sites (love and compassion).
I applied for the domain name
www.bielek.com
and posted all of the content there.
Since then, Al and I have only briefly spoken
to each other. It's unfortunate.
Hidden files on the CD
If you read the content on some websites,
they will say I put "hidden files" on the CD.
educate-yourself.org/ab/productsfromalbielek15jul03.shtml
This all came about when a friend of Larry
James told Larry that there were files on the CD
that send all of your personal information to
the NSA. Honestly, I am not smart enough
to figure out how to put a program like that
together - and no - there are no hidden files on
the CD.
When these accusations came out, I spoke to
Larry. I asked him to show me the hidden
files and how they worked. I even told him
that if he could prove to me there were hidden
files sending user information out, I would pull
the CD from the market.
Larry never showed me any hidden files on
my CD.
I also emailed Ken Adachi (Owner of
Educate-Yourself.org) and asked him to remove
his comments about these hidden files. I
also explained what happened between Al and
myself and asked if he could present my side of
the story on his site.
Ken said he would talk to Al - and then I
never heard from Ken again. You can see that
his comments are still there. I don't
understand these people who profess to be
seekers of the truth. I think they are
more interested in upholding their paradigm
instead of learning about the truth.
My attempts to mend the relationship
In the summer of 2003 Al suffered from a stroke.
I did call his hospital and told him I wished
him a speedy recovery. He seemed to
appreciate my phone call and I thought we were
on the road to rebuilding our relationship.
During this time, the website
www.bielek-debunked.com was launched.
I read through ever page of the site. I
found the material that the authors presented in
their site quite convincing. Their basic
premise is Al is making up the story.
Since I was on the road to rebuilding my
relationship with Al, I thought I would ask him
to do some more interviews with me. I
wanted to give him an opportunity to defend
himself. I believed if I gave him a forum
to respond to the accusations on
bielek-debunked.com, he would emerge stronger
and more believable.
Then I never heard from Al Bielek again.
Since proving/disproving Al Bielek and all of
the related stories is not my full time
profession, I haven't pursued it any further.
Given the fact that he has chosen not to answer
any of his critics is not good. Again, its
up to you to come to your own conclusions.
Did the Philadelphia Experiment and
Montauk Project really happen?
My own personal conclusion is that both
experiments really happened. There was a
Philadelphia Experiment and there was a Montauk
Project. Al's degree of involvement is
questionable. Perhaps he was involved to
some degree, but mixed his own personal
experiences with his own personal agenda.
I don't think we'll ever know the truth.
My advise
My advise to all who reads these words is
this - think with your own mind. It really
isn't important if Al Bielek or Larry James or
any of the other people interviewed on the CD's
are telling the complete truth or not. Give them a
chance to tell their story and then determine
for yourself what your truth is. Once you
have determined it for yourself - then live it.
Al has served an important role in uncovering
and presenting information on several projects
that I think really happened. For that
reason alone, it is worth listening to what he
has to say. But don't let Al have the
final say on what you believe. Visit the
website
www.bielek-debunked.com and draw your own
conclusions. Also, follow these
stories through other sources. I think
eventually what really happened with these two
projects will surface.
For me personally, this has been a fun ride.
I have spoken to many very interesting people as
a result of compiling this CD. I have been
featured on television programs and radio
interviews. I'm glad I took on the
project.
I also learned what can happen when one gets
too into this "conspiracy" thing.
Suddenly, everything becomes a conspiracy.
I saw Al and his friends suddenly turn on me for
no reason. I became the bad guy and was
part of the conspiracy. So be careful with
your thoughts.
If you have any comments about my statements
that you would like to share with me please feel
free to email me at
zager@webhoster.com.
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